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    Quote Originally Posted by nwhy View Post
    Which ones? Maybe I, IV, V in two keys?
    It's a reference to a documentary, which I throughly enjoyed titled It Might Get Loud: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1229360/

    The referenced four inspirational chords are from Link Wray's instrumental Rumble: https://youtu.be/RLEUSn8y9TI

    There is also a wonderful interview on Audible by Bob Edwards with David Guggenheim the director of Might Get Loud on August 21, 2009. I have it on audible, but unfortunately I can not locate it on a Public Radio archive to share. If someone can find it, please share.

    Four Chords in Rumble https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/l...e_ver2_tab.htm
    There's actually a very nice pentatonic run as the turn around.

    D, E, A, B7 or D, Em, A, B7 What heck is that?
    IV, V, I, ii ?
    Vii, I, IV, V ? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by nwhy View Post
    But it's not because of any slow, secret death of the electric guitar. Sales are stable, growing somewhat.
    Please provide reputable source to back your claim.

    As Mr. Booth pointed out every long lived industry goes through cycles. One datum that is pointed out in the article is that the current sales zenith was 1.5M and currently sales are just over 1M (1.5M > 1M). The article attempts to reflect on some of the reasons for the decline by talking to some industry execs and surveying the current popular music trends. Nothing fake, just observations and possible conclusions based on those observations.
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    I was watching a documentary on the electric guitar. This thing said both Fender and Gibson were considering shutting down production of their electric guitars entirely, the Jimmy Hendrix came on the scene. So I go with the "cycles" as well. Plus I have been getting a LOT of child prodigies playing amazing guitar across my facebook. In a few years these kids are going to emerge and probably revamp the industry.

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    "But it's not because of any slow, secret death of the electric guitar. Sales are stable, growing somewhat."
    "Please provide reputable source to back your claim."

    My claim is that Guitar Center is failing but not because of the death of the electric guitar.
    I'll let you Google the financial aspect yourself; I'm sure you are more interested in the alleged death of the electric guitar.

    https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news...1_billion.html
    This article has a chart of US sales of musical instruments and related products, showing the slow recovery after 2008. It doesn't separate out guitars or electrical guitars. That's hard to do.
    It says GC has an annual revenue of $2.1 billion, which happens to be the amount it was bought for in 2007.

    http://brandongaille.com/17-fascinat...es-statistics/
    Indeed fascinating. Two years old though, a rough two years I gather.
    The history of the guitar at the end is worth peeking at.
    BTW, it mentions Ukes. Ukes are trending up. Or was that last year. Fun and cheap.

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Guitar-Sal...mes&id=7407946
    This one is from 2012, from a UK guitar teacher. He has some good insights and says where to go to get guitar sales stats: National Association of Music Merchants (NAMM).

    https://www.namm.org/membership/global-report
    That's the one I want to see. If you are not a member, it's $1000. Oh well.

    http://www.musictrades.com/census.html
    Or, for only $35 you can get their report.
    "Music Trades' authoritative market data on sales of all musical instruments, sound and publishing products covers 55 distinct categories of products."

    But wait! Here's one on-line for free!
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-retail-sales/
    "Guitar market retail sales in the United States from 2005 to 2016"
    2009 was the low point, climbing steadily since then. 2016 it was $1.2 billion.

    Music and Sound Retailer has some stats for 2015.
    http://msretailer.com/years-end-thwa...-guitar-sales/

    That's enough for numbers. The guitar industry has been worried about the end for a while now, and hoping for a new Hendrix.
    "Is 2015 the Beginning of the End for the Guitar Industry?"
    http://gtroblq.blogspot.ca/2015/07/i...or-guitar.html
    This article from July 2015 says WaPo wrote an article about the slow death of the electric guitar, but the link goes to the current WaPo article, so I'm confused. This article is provocative, so worth reading. Rock is dead. The Google Trends charts for Fender, Gibson, PRS at the end are dire. The market trends aren't any better.

    http://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/101...e-guitar/61897
    Worth reading, but don't expect an answer to that title question.

    That's enough for now. It's clear that the industry has reason to be worried about its future.

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    Thanks for that info, funny Jimmy Page...

    Quote Originally Posted by robdbirch View Post
    It's a reference to a documentary, which I throughly enjoyed titled It Might Get Loud: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1229360/

    The referenced four inspirational chords are from Link Wray's instrumental Rumble: https://youtu.be/RLEUSn8y9TI

    There is also a wonderful interview on Audible by Bob Edwards with David Guggenheim the director of Might Get Loud on August 21, 2009. I have it on audible, but unfortunately I can not locate it on a Public Radio archive to share. If someone can find it, please share.

    Four Chords in Rumble https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/l...e_ver2_tab.htm
    There's actually a very nice pentatonic run as the turn around.

    D, E, A, B7 or D, Em, A, B7 What heck is that?
    IV, V, I, ii ?
    Vii, I, IV, V ? ...



    Please provide reputable source to back your claim.

    As Mr. Booth pointed out every long lived industry goes through cycles. One datum that is pointed out in the article is that the current sales zenith was 1.5M and currently sales are just over 1M (1.5M > 1M). The article attempts to reflect on some of the reasons for the decline by talking to some industry execs and surveying the current popular music trends. Nothing fake, just observations and possible conclusions based on those observations.

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    @nwhy Thanks for the great info!
    I have no doubts that Guitar Center's business is poorly managed as you pointed out, "Vulture Capitalism" is practice used by Private Equity firms.
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    I am sitting here listening to the Live Summer Sale and I am seeing more girls in the chat feed. The article ends with an interesting comment from Phil McKnight and I've seen him talk about the subject on his youtube channel, about female guitar players. He mentions that his store guitar lessons there had a dramatic increase in young female guitar players.He attributes it to Taylor Swift by talking to the female students. I have actually spoken to a few young lady guitar players and they have also mentioned Taylor Swift as a influence on them picking up the guitar. I was thinking maybe the live events should have some segments with women Jam Play teachers. I have always enjoyed Lisa Purcell's lessons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robdbirch View Post
    He mentions that his store guitar lessons there had a dramatic increase in young female guitar players.
    More girls! Absolutely! I was going to comment on that but had not got around to it yet. I've noticed that most ads for guitars or guitar lessons target guys who like hard rock and shredding. I'm guessing that's not what would appeal to girls/women most.

    I know women bass players and they are amazing, but most of the girls/women guitar players I know do it because they want to sing. I think that is an excellent reason. In the good old days (or not so good, but that had their good moments) it was a common thing for a family to sing and play together in the evenings. That still exists in some isolated circumstances, but after they invented TV, the internet, and smart phones, I expect it's pretty rare now. The other thing that used to exist (not sure if it's still around) is young people gathering and singing around a campfire. If it still exists, they probably have to hand out the lyrics. Are there any songs now that everybody knows the words to? Anyway, those are the kind of things that encourages kids to learn an instrument, without much pressure.

    Actually, I think kids still do this, with banjos and hand drums and guitars or whatever. The kids are alright. Whether it's an electric guitar, acoustic, banjo, or ukulele doesn't matter. As long as they are producers of music and not just consumers of it.

    From Joan Baez to Lucinda Williams and beyond, the girls and women playing guitar are essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robdbirch View Post
    I am sitting here listening to the Live Summer Sale and I am seeing more girls in the chat feed. The article ends with an interesting comment from Phil McKnight and I've seen him talk about the subject on his youtube channel, about female guitar players. He mentions that his store guitar lessons there had a dramatic increase in young female guitar players.He attributes it to Taylor Swift by talking to the female students. I have actually spoken to a few young lady guitar players and they have also mentioned Taylor Swift as a influence on them picking up the guitar. I was thinking maybe the live events should have some segments with women Jam Play teachers. I have always enjoyed Lisa Purcell's lessons.
    None of our female teachers are local or we would totally do this.
    Co-Founder and Content Specialist at JamPlay.com

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